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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/873 Thanks! 1 00:00:14,750 --> 00:00:16,939 So the next talk you're going to hear is 2 00:00:16,940 --> 00:00:18,799 by Ya'akov Rimming and go to 3 00:00:20,210 --> 00:00:21,469 our next speaker. 4 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:23,869 Jacob is an artist designer, Anthony 5 00:00:23,870 --> 00:00:26,299 and community builder from Copenhagen and 6 00:00:26,300 --> 00:00:28,429 go to 80 who came here 7 00:00:28,430 --> 00:00:30,799 from Sweden and calls himself an old 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,099 media artist with many talents. 9 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,559 They both were present ongoing robotic 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,109 research project, robotic music, 11 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:40,999 which is centered around automation, 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,589 creation and loss of control. 13 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:45,349 I'm so excited for this presentation. 14 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:47,629 And let's welcome our new music, 15 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:49,789 Robot Overlords and 16 00:00:49,790 --> 00:00:50,799 Jakob and go to. 17 00:00:59,110 --> 00:01:01,169 Thank you and 18 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:03,509 thanks for inviting us. 19 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:05,458 Thank you for the introduction. 20 00:01:05,459 --> 00:01:07,949 Not so sure about the overload part, 21 00:01:07,950 --> 00:01:10,589 but let's see 22 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:11,590 down the road. 23 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:16,649 Yeah, I'm Yaacov 24 00:01:16,650 --> 00:01:18,839 and and I'm go to 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,099 that's my artist name. 26 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:24,089 I do a lot of music with old computers 27 00:01:24,090 --> 00:01:26,189 like this Commodore 64 that 28 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:27,269 we're going to see. 29 00:01:27,270 --> 00:01:29,729 Yeah. Some more of I have 30 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:31,919 kind of shared passion for 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,689 old machines or just technology in 32 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:37,019 general, and I 33 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:39,329 normally don't do music 34 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:41,879 as much more sound and media 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,159 arts in general. And you can see 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,259 one movie that I've made in the 37 00:01:46,260 --> 00:01:48,719 video lounge at one tonight, 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,059 which is kind of investigating 39 00:01:51,060 --> 00:01:53,309 rare earth elements and kind 40 00:01:53,310 --> 00:01:55,879 of the materiality of the Internet. 41 00:01:58,710 --> 00:02:00,030 This is something different. 42 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:03,929 Yeah, I mean, we're very happy to be 43 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:06,209 invited here because it's kind of a new 44 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:07,739 project for us. 45 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:09,719 We've been working on it for about six 46 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,009 months. So it's 47 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:14,549 it's very open still. 48 00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:16,949 We're not really sure where we're 49 00:02:16,950 --> 00:02:19,079 going with this yet. 50 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,879 I mean, we'll we'll figure it out along 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,199 the way. 52 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,599 Yeah. So it's important for us to stress 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,119 that this is artistic 54 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,519 research in the sense 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,069 that not like scientific research, 56 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:34,979 it's more explorations in a field 57 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:37,049 that we are not specialists 58 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:39,359 in. And also it's 59 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,369 important for us to stress that we're 60 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:43,739 really excited to be in a place 61 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:44,759 like C.C.C. 62 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,949 with so many so 63 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:49,469 much more talented people than US 64 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:51,929 presence like really. 65 00:02:51,930 --> 00:02:54,029 And we're really hoping 66 00:02:54,030 --> 00:02:56,219 to somehow, you know, start 67 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:57,839 a conversation with you guys. 68 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,239 So we're also aiming to leave some some 69 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,949 space for Q&A. 70 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:04,139 But also we have the robot standing 71 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,239 outside and we'll make 72 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,789 some music on it after the talk. 73 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:11,369 And tomorrow will 74 00:03:11,370 --> 00:03:13,589 bring a second robot and a drum 75 00:03:13,590 --> 00:03:15,989 machine and maybe we can kind of jam 76 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:17,849 and talk. And people are very welcome to 77 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:20,009 come and hack on these robots 78 00:03:20,010 --> 00:03:21,899 with us. We really. 79 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:23,489 Yeah, we'd love that. 80 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:24,490 Yeah. 81 00:03:30,540 --> 00:03:32,789 OK, but so we've we've worked 82 00:03:32,790 --> 00:03:35,159 together for about 10 years. 83 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,019 This was the first project that we did 84 00:03:37,020 --> 00:03:39,209 together. It's called a H.T. 85 00:03:39,210 --> 00:03:41,279 Gold, and it was presented on this 86 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,409 huge screen in the main 87 00:03:43,410 --> 00:03:45,329 square of Copenhagen. 88 00:03:45,330 --> 00:03:47,939 And it's basically an old 89 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:50,339 hockey game for the Commodore 64 90 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:52,079 that we manipulated it. 91 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,119 So while you play it, it's sort of just 92 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,579 destroys itself and becomes this 93 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:59,099 beautiful mess. 94 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:01,229 But it's still playable and it's still a 95 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:02,230 lot of fun for, 96 00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:05,279 you know, people who can take take the 97 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,280 heat. 98 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:09,509 And when Under says that we've been 99 00:04:09,510 --> 00:04:11,789 working together for 10 years, it sounds 100 00:04:11,790 --> 00:04:13,679 like with this kind of tool, it's not 101 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,049 like we're actually not working 102 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:17,309 together that often. 103 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:19,499 We've seen each other more 104 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,629 during the last half year than we 105 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:24,119 have maybe in the previous 106 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,369 nine and a half or so. 107 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:29,069 So we live in two different cities 108 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:32,519 and so we get together 109 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,199 when doing projects, but it's not like 110 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,419 we're kind of going to work in 111 00:04:36,420 --> 00:04:37,420 the same studio. 112 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,159 Just to clarify, this 113 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,660 is a different project we made in 114 00:04:43,710 --> 00:04:46,019 2013 115 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:47,039 memo blasts. 116 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,499 It was one of the performances 117 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:51,509 that like opening the tunnels, Woody 118 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:53,099 Allen in 13. 119 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:57,299 And it was yeah, we had 120 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:58,439 open fax lines. 121 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,929 People could fax in different content 122 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:03,149 to us. And we were basically 123 00:05:03,150 --> 00:05:05,549 emulating this kind of dysfunctional 124 00:05:05,550 --> 00:05:06,870 office environment, 125 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:10,409 receiving faxes and kind of copying 126 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:12,389 them and trying to signify them at the 127 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:13,390 same time. 128 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,539 Yeah, so the faxes that came in, we 129 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:20,699 we tried to process them and I tried 130 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:24,059 to adapt the music from the faxes, 131 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:26,459 basically, which was very difficult. 132 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:27,460 But 133 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:32,789 this is another project called Data Slave 134 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:35,129 in kind of the same vein where 135 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,609 this is an old police station that I'm 136 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:41,069 sitting in and people 137 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:43,139 write fill in forms with what kind 138 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:44,459 of songs they want. 139 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:46,469 And then I get something like five 140 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,719 minutes to make the song 141 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,819 and then I save it on a floppy disk and 142 00:05:50,820 --> 00:05:53,429 give it to them. And then it's it's their 143 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:54,389 their song. 144 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:56,459 And this is an example of how an 145 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:58,740 order could look like. 146 00:06:00,210 --> 00:06:02,399 So that was quite difficult 147 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,400 as well. 148 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,679 Yeah. I guess we like to sort of punish, 149 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,300 punish ourselves a little bit. 150 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,349 Yeah, and I guess kind of following in 151 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:15,599 this tradition of 152 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,999 scripting ourselves and working 153 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,059 within some kind of scripts, like 154 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:22,319 some call it Fluxus 155 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,610 or whatever, but like kind of. 156 00:06:25,530 --> 00:06:27,929 Giving up control to to some 157 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,019 other system 158 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:31,020 of. 159 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:39,999 So like most 160 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,069 people, I guess we're fascinated 161 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:44,259 about robots, but 162 00:06:44,260 --> 00:06:46,389 we're also a little kind of I don't 163 00:06:46,390 --> 00:06:49,149 know, there's a lot of emotions 164 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:50,829 connected with robots. 165 00:06:50,830 --> 00:06:53,709 And mostly it's also, 166 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:55,269 I guess, at least personally, for me, 167 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:56,919 it's been this kind of frustration about 168 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,209 fascination of robots. 169 00:06:58,210 --> 00:06:59,259 And they're coming. They're coming. 170 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:00,549 They're coming. But they're never really 171 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:02,829 coming and never really 172 00:07:02,830 --> 00:07:04,359 getting a robot. But then suddenly this 173 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,639 summer, we we actually got 174 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,819 a robot. Like we got a possibility of 175 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,889 fooling around with 176 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:14,469 a robot, basically. And we we 177 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:16,540 grabbed that possibility 178 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,560 without 179 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:21,939 maybe completely knowing what we were 180 00:07:21,940 --> 00:07:23,229 heading towards. 181 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:25,539 I mean, we had ideas 182 00:07:25,540 --> 00:07:27,639 and we shared some of these ideas. 183 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,160 And we set up. 184 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:35,489 A small mini residency 185 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:38,279 at Copenhagen, floating 186 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,019 hackerspace called Lutron. 187 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,859 Yeah, we were basically this 188 00:07:45,860 --> 00:07:48,109 this robot is called the you arm 189 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:50,299 swift pro, it's just kind of open, 190 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:51,889 easily hackable robot. 191 00:07:51,890 --> 00:07:54,019 And we were just using 192 00:07:54,020 --> 00:07:55,430 this week to 193 00:07:56,870 --> 00:07:59,179 try to gain control of the robot 194 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:00,859 enough that it could kind of be an 195 00:08:00,860 --> 00:08:02,599 extension of underoos. 196 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,759 So basically what you're seeing 197 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,019 here is a.. 198 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:07,879 With a keyboard controlling. 199 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,529 This little laptop 200 00:08:11,530 --> 00:08:13,669 stand on the left 201 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:15,949 that is then controlling the robot 202 00:08:15,950 --> 00:08:18,199 arm with some 203 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,479 serial commands decode 204 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,579 and then the robot arm is basically 205 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:25,039 just kind of replicating the key process 206 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,519 that UNVERSED is doing on the keyboard. 207 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,309 So it's just an extended 208 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:32,889 arm somehow, very elaborate 209 00:08:32,890 --> 00:08:33,890 prosthesis. 210 00:08:34,690 --> 00:08:36,879 Yeah, elaborate, but then on 211 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,429 the other hand, it has only one finger. 212 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:36,359 Commodore 64 computer 213 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,459 that I mentioned before from the early 214 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:40,409 80s, and the software 215 00:09:41,430 --> 00:09:42,599 is called Death Metal. 216 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,819 It's a it's a new software, it's not 217 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:47,099 old stuff. So you can really do 218 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:49,259 some pretty amazing stuff with 219 00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:51,299 it. And what you're seeing is basically 220 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,369 the robot inserting 221 00:09:53,370 --> 00:09:55,499 notes, changing the 222 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:57,899 notes in a in a loop that's 223 00:09:57,900 --> 00:09:58,900 that's running 224 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,909 with only one finger. 225 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:05,650 Yeah. 226 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:10,769 So with this kind of first 227 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:13,889 video prototype, we got 228 00:10:13,890 --> 00:10:14,940 booked to do 229 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:18,059 a lot of stuff suddenly 230 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,939 and we got invited to 231 00:10:23,940 --> 00:10:26,219 to this algorithmic 232 00:10:26,220 --> 00:10:28,529 festival in Sheffield, 233 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:31,079 this festival of algorithmic 234 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,689 and mechanical movement 235 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:35,849 to basically play at a rave. 236 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,090 So we had to. 237 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:43,479 We had to work a bit on on 238 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,820 that, but we kind of 239 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,059 we managed to get the robot to a state 240 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:51,519 where it could load songs and, 241 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,859 you know, insert notes, delete notes, 242 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:56,109 mute voices, bring 243 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:57,309 stuff up and down. 244 00:10:57,310 --> 00:11:00,039 And basically, in the end, it actually 245 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,229 could play kind 246 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,629 of a full set, 247 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:06,489 like we played half an hour or something 248 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:08,259 or the robot played half an hour. 249 00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:10,419 And I guess because we were still. 250 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:14,519 Maybe doubting if we could pull it off. 251 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,769 You were there playing as well, 252 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:19,099 like kind of head to head with the robot, 253 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:23,039 but actually, 254 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,199 you know, you were mostly just kind 255 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,299 of filling in little 256 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:28,199 extra things. 257 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Yeah. 258 00:11:30,260 --> 00:11:32,359 Um, yeah, so it was more like 259 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,339 under trying to keep up with the robot 260 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:36,739 maybe or playing on top of a small 261 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:37,740 clip. 262 00:12:00,620 --> 00:12:02,829 Why, why, why, 263 00:12:02,830 --> 00:12:05,299 why, why, why, why, 264 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:07,519 why, why, why, why? 265 00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:10,599 Why, why? 266 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,149 Why, why? 267 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:14,150 Why, why? 268 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:16,060 Why. 269 00:12:21,730 --> 00:12:23,939 We got 270 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:25,999 right on it, but I feel 271 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,519 maybe that's why you see my face 272 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,769 sometimes and sometimes the scream I 273 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:31,519 make the other. 274 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,609 Scream, it's my scream. 275 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:36,889 Uh, just to show us what's going 276 00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:38,959 on, you know, we have way 277 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,960 too little. 278 00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:44,770 Yeah. 279 00:12:51,860 --> 00:12:54,379 Yeah, so, I mean, this experience 280 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:55,380 of of. 281 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,220 That the robot already kind of after 282 00:13:01,540 --> 00:13:03,759 after just, I 283 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,439 don't know, a couple of months of fooling 284 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,569 around was able to you 285 00:13:07,570 --> 00:13:09,159 know, we were basically could reduce 286 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,809 ourselves to technicians, setting up the 287 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:13,029 robot. And then, you know, 288 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:15,159 in Sheffield, I literally push 289 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,319 the button. And then I went and saw 290 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,320 the show. 291 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:22,269 I don't know. That kind of started some 292 00:13:22,270 --> 00:13:23,320 things. That was. 293 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:28,189 That was kind of emotional somehow 294 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:29,190 and 295 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,689 and we got invited to play at the 296 00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:35,869 Internet base in Stockholm, 297 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:38,089 like doing the lounge 298 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:40,909 music or the kind of 299 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:42,799 chill out and beer session after the 300 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,229 days. So we basically 301 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:47,429 took the challenge to let the robot play 302 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:49,849 dub techno type stuff 303 00:13:49,850 --> 00:13:52,369 for five hours 304 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:53,679 unsupervised. 305 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,440 And then we 306 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,429 we were just kind of hanging out 307 00:14:01,430 --> 00:14:03,349 in the bar and. 308 00:14:06,830 --> 00:14:08,749 Well, I mean, you'll see in the video, I 309 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:11,089 guess we set up two tables basically 310 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:12,109 like we're doing out there. 311 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:14,059 So the robot on one table and we're kind 312 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:16,459 of next to it. 313 00:14:16,460 --> 00:14:18,739 And we have a lot of time 314 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:21,319 to have conversations 315 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,449 with people about like 316 00:14:23,450 --> 00:14:25,789 kind of the future of robotics 317 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:28,010 and like when they become creative and. 318 00:14:29,370 --> 00:14:31,499 Yeah, hope so, whatever, 319 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:33,599 and it's like this kind 320 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,639 of I'm imagining at least there will be a 321 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,079 lot of these jobs where you just have to 322 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,509 kind of hang out and just once 323 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:41,759 in a while fix the robot up 324 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,760 or something. 325 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:46,739 Yeah. For this one, we actually 326 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:49,649 put a lot of effort in making 327 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:51,959 the what the robot does a little bit more 328 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,029 dynamic, like adjusting it for 329 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:56,189 each song and making it more 330 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:57,929 sort of diverse what it's doing. 331 00:14:57,930 --> 00:15:01,019 So so actually now we 332 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:03,449 yeah. I mean we sort of knew 333 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:05,009 what it was supposed to do, but it was 334 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:07,529 still somehow a surprise 335 00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:10,019 and it was just this kind of 336 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:12,119 magic of seeing a robot 337 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,969 do something that it was just 338 00:15:14,970 --> 00:15:16,889 it's a really strange feeling 339 00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:20,789 like I mean, it's 340 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:22,889 still a we do 341 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:25,199 the music, the songs, but the robot 342 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,509 performs our songs. 343 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:30,599 So so the songs actually become something 344 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,600 something new. 345 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:35,100 Yeah. Which is. 346 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:39,149 Yeah. It's like a weird mix of 347 00:15:39,150 --> 00:15:41,609 sad, just sadness, happiness. 348 00:15:41,610 --> 00:15:42,629 A bit scary. 349 00:15:42,630 --> 00:15:44,759 Scary sort of or just 350 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,099 fun. It's a 351 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:48,100 yeah. 352 00:15:48,730 --> 00:15:50,279 It's a weird stuff. 353 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,469 Definitely. And on top of that I mean 354 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:54,539 we're talking a lot about electronic 355 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:56,819 music and how it's hard to make 356 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:58,979 stuff minimal enough to basically it's 357 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:01,319 kind of shut up and just repeats long 358 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,209 enough. Like we both have a tendency, I 359 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:05,459 think, to fill in too many notes 360 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:08,429 maybe for mainstream 361 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:09,329 techno or something. 362 00:16:09,330 --> 00:16:11,909 But the robot is like super cool, 363 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:14,169 like, you know, it can really, 364 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:15,869 you know, hold it, you know. 365 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:18,279 Yeah, it's a little bit longer. 366 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:20,550 Yeah, that's. 367 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,329 Yeah, so I guess it's also important for 368 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:43,999 us to say that the Commodore 369 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,099 is a good place to start because it's 370 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:48,169 got keys and it's easy to push keys, 371 00:16:48,170 --> 00:16:50,389 which if you just have one finger, you 372 00:16:50,390 --> 00:16:52,799 know, and the chaos 373 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,439 part is also really good for just one 374 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,440 finger. 375 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:58,309 So right now, we're more like and we're 376 00:16:58,310 --> 00:17:00,199 thinking about drum machines now as well 377 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,779 because they're good for one finger. 378 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:05,749 So right now, the kind of the musical 379 00:17:07,099 --> 00:17:09,199 of, I don't know, the gear is kind 380 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,779 of dependent on kind of 381 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:14,089 one finger push interaction, 382 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:17,929 which is kind of beautiful to 383 00:17:17,930 --> 00:17:20,029 take some of all the choices 384 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:22,219 out of production, I guess. 385 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:25,140 Yeah. 386 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,819 So it's not to say that this is 387 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:31,279 only 64 or project 388 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,829 or something like that. We can imagine 389 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:35,539 doing all kinds of things with this robot 390 00:17:35,540 --> 00:17:36,540 around. 391 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:40,060 You know. 392 00:17:50,550 --> 00:17:52,490 Yeah, so now we're here 393 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:56,669 and we brought two robots 394 00:17:56,670 --> 00:17:59,129 and one, like we said, for playing 395 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:01,890 and then one for hacking, and 396 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,369 I mean, we really encourage 397 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,439 you guys to come and play 398 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,789 with us. And, of course, 399 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,569 I mean, most of the coding we're doing is 400 00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:13,679 relatively banal. 401 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,809 It's more like kind of 402 00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:17,939 generative code based, 403 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:19,499 a lot on randomness and so on. 404 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:21,389 But of course, we know that there is all 405 00:18:21,390 --> 00:18:23,069 this neural network A.I. 406 00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:25,529 stuff that's really booming and 407 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:27,689 it's apparently good at making 408 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,579 music. So if there's some people out 409 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:31,799 there that kind of 410 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,319 are into that or know how to maybe 411 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,509 remix what the robot has already done 412 00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:38,609 or compose 413 00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:40,049 new stuff, I mean, 414 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,169 we really like to to 415 00:18:43,170 --> 00:18:44,279 talk with you. 416 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,409 And yeah, 417 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:48,509 I mean, we have really good training 418 00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:50,429 data as well. I guess you should kind of 419 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:52,649 explain. So, I mean, I have 420 00:18:52,650 --> 00:18:54,719 because I've used these old computers for 421 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,419 so long and the files that you save, 422 00:18:57,420 --> 00:18:59,879 it's all like self-contained 423 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,739 source files or whatever. 424 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:03,869 So everything is in there and they're 425 00:19:03,870 --> 00:19:05,099 really, really small. 426 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:07,319 These files as well, I think. 427 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:10,559 Yeah, I checked my folder earlier 428 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,809 today. It's like 50 megabytes for 429 00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:15,179 20 years of of everything 430 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:17,249 that I made, like all 431 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:18,569 the work files and everything. 432 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:20,669 So, you know, 433 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:23,249 and then, yeah, we just realized, like, 434 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:25,409 wow, imagine, you know, feeding 435 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:27,509 some neural network with this stuff, 436 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:29,069 then we can really just. 437 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:33,479 Yeah. Fuck off and do nothing 438 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:34,480 maybe. 439 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:40,449 I mean, we'll see or maybe it doesn't 440 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:42,789 work at all or 441 00:19:42,790 --> 00:19:45,459 like, you know, jam with the robot, 442 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:46,809 you know, it doesn't have to be that 443 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:48,729 we're just kind of leading. 444 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:49,659 I don't think we will. 445 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:52,239 But it's it's it would just be really fun 446 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,369 to I mean, also for me 447 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:56,289 to have others hanging around in 448 00:19:56,290 --> 00:19:58,179 Copenhagen. And I can jam with him when 449 00:19:58,180 --> 00:20:00,339 he's, you know, back 450 00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:01,340 home now, 451 00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:04,569 come tomorrow. 452 00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:05,799 There was the ten minutes. 453 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,139 So I'm skipping a fast. 454 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:10,719 But tomorrow from 11, we're playing 455 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,869 there. The gig starts at nine, I think. 456 00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:15,789 Yeah. And we'll play around. 457 00:20:15,790 --> 00:20:18,249 The robot will play around two 458 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:19,209 hours. 459 00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:20,949 Yeah. Yeah. 460 00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:23,409 So probably starting a bit slow 461 00:20:23,410 --> 00:20:26,049 but then ramping it up. 462 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:27,050 Yeah. 463 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Yeah, yeah, 464 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:34,460 questions. 465 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,619 And what 466 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:46,869 a cool robot you've 467 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:49,119 built, so we have about ten 468 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,129 minutes for questions, please. 469 00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:53,559 We have to, first of all, because 470 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,839 you follow a bit more why you chose 471 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,359 such a simple robot of like the symbolism 472 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,639 or the systematic aspects of it attracted 473 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,259 you to using such a simple system as 474 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:04,479 opposed to all the huge and cool software 475 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,549 solutions that would be able to automate 476 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:07,720 music and all these things. 477 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:13,020 Yeah, 478 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:16,879 no, I guess, you 479 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,619 know, you were making music on a 480 00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:19,939 Commodore 64. 481 00:21:19,940 --> 00:21:22,159 We're not, you know, software 482 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,229 guys so much. 483 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:26,539 It's kind of I guess 484 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:28,339 you mean specifically the robot, why we 485 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:30,469 didn't choose a more complex robot 486 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:32,329 or or doing it all in software. 487 00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:33,799 Right. That's what you're talking about. 488 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,419 Yeah, both that. And why don't you just 489 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,069 build a software interface where you just 490 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:38,419 get the signals right to the Commodore 491 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:40,279 like there's other solutions as opposed 492 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,409 to using such a mechanical 493 00:21:42,410 --> 00:21:44,509 simple right 494 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:46,879 now, because it's just it's a completely 495 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,979 different feeling to have, 496 00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:51,229 you know, a robot arm doing it rather 497 00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:53,419 than just, you know, 498 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:54,700 something invisible. 499 00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:57,949 And I guess we need to add also that 500 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:59,779 we're not we don't really know what we're 501 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:01,849 doing. Right. I mean, we got together 502 00:22:01,850 --> 00:22:04,069 with the robot because we thought 503 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:06,619 the robot was cool, you know, 504 00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:08,869 and it turned out that it was 505 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:10,249 actually kind of pathetic. 506 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:12,290 But that was fun. 507 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:18,329 So I guess if we'd known 508 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:19,679 what we know now, maybe we wouldn't have 509 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,989 started, but, you know, it's 510 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:24,359 that's not the way this project works. 511 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,879 It's very much kind of exploration. 512 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,219 And and again, 513 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,289 I mean, we also really like these 514 00:22:31,290 --> 00:22:33,419 old machines. So it makes sense that 515 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:35,789 we have a robot interacting with 516 00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:38,009 64. And I mean, the C 517 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:40,319 64 doesn't take MIDI or 518 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,599 like fancy protocols 519 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,999 like that. So we have to actually touch 520 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 the keys. 521 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,219 Yeah, um, thanks so 522 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:51,339 microphone, too, please. 523 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:53,509 Hey, how much of the 524 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:56,329 what the robot does is preprogramed 525 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:59,299 and just replaying a pre 526 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,729 composed piece or 527 00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:03,559 how much randomness or 528 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:06,889 computational patterns involved in that 529 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:07,890 music? 530 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:11,689 Well, I mean, the base the base is always 531 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:14,449 a pre composed song, 532 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:16,219 basically, and then it's. 533 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:20,059 Yeah, what it does is it's 534 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:20,449 yeah. 535 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:22,669 I mean it's pretty random, but 536 00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:24,799 within some kind of boundaries, 537 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,439 like we say what notes it should 538 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,569 press, but we don't say when 539 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:31,369 it should press it, for example. 540 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:33,439 Or we say, OK, 541 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,899 maybe you can change the rhythm 542 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,969 a little bit, but not just 543 00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:39,230 completely destroy 544 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,159 everything. So I mean everything 545 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,230 that happens is at least a little bit. 546 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:48,669 Random, I guess 547 00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:50,979 you can say, yeah, more or less, 548 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:53,469 everything is actually based on random, 549 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:55,209 but of course within some kind of logic 550 00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:56,799 structure, right? 551 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,299 Um, yeah. 552 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,369 So it's it's it's never 553 00:24:00,370 --> 00:24:02,949 it's there's no kind of direct 554 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:04,479 playback of anything. 555 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,789 It's like that's that's. 556 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:08,649 Yeah. We haven't figured out how to do 557 00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:09,650 that. 558 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,699 All right. Thank you. 559 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,259 I'd like a future challenge is to make 560 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:17,109 time to compose stuff 561 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,629 that will be more useful 562 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:21,789 for the robot, basically, like we didn't 563 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:24,009 really have time to do that yet, but we 564 00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:26,559 wanted to be more more free 565 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,659 and do its own 566 00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:31,089 music from from scratch. 567 00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:32,090 More or less 568 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,719 now. Yeah. 569 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,429 So right now it's loading stuff and 570 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:38,259 modifying it. But we of course, wanted to 571 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:40,419 start saving stuff and 572 00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,489 then be stable enough that we can kind of 573 00:24:42,490 --> 00:24:44,229 leave it for a week and then come back 574 00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:45,519 and see what it's been up to. 575 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,149 Yeah, no, but I really like 576 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:51,519 this kind of idea of making music 577 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,589 for the robot so that I 578 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:56,769 adapt to the robot and it's one 579 00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:59,229 finger because then I 580 00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:01,449 really, really have to, 581 00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:03,549 you know, delete nine 582 00:25:03,550 --> 00:25:05,619 fingers and some, you know, 583 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:07,989 it's just a completely different 584 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:10,209 way. So I have to adapt 585 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:11,589 to to the robot, 586 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,240 which I think is cool 587 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,719 things like from one. 588 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:21,309 And since there is 589 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:23,079 a source called, is it available on 590 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,909 guitar or are you planning to do it and 591 00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:26,019 get it put putting on up? 592 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:27,219 It is on GitHub. 593 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:28,269 It's a mess. 594 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:31,209 But it's there. 595 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:32,139 It's there. 596 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:33,729 Yeah, OK. 597 00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:35,239 It's called robot music. 598 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,139 It's there thanks 599 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:39,140 to police. 600 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,179 So is your robot very precise 601 00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:45,159 or have you ever had the situation where 602 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,379 you just made a mistake and you thought, 603 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:49,839 well, that that wasn't planned, but 604 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,159 sounds OK as well I guess? 605 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,229 Or is there or is it just precise enough 606 00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:54,230 that that doesn't happen? 607 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:58,719 I mean, in theory, 608 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,890 it's really precise. 609 00:26:01,570 --> 00:26:03,789 People put printhead on it and 610 00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:06,399 use it as a 3D printer and so on. 611 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,529 But I mean, we it messes up all 612 00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:10,929 the time. We have kind of a big headache 613 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:13,089 on calibration and so on, because 614 00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:15,189 every time it yeah, it 615 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:17,409 bounces into the key. 616 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:19,539 We have to kind of restart. 617 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:21,699 And it's I mean, it's 618 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,859 so far we survived all gigs, but 619 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:25,449 we were just having a lot of trouble 620 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:26,469 right now. 621 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:28,599 So hopefully it's going 622 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,520 to run, but it doesn't have 623 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,640 an effect on your creative process. 624 00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:37,329 Well, it has some stress. 625 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:39,969 Yeah, some adrenaline. 626 00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:43,719 Right. Yeah, I know. But when it when it 627 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,629 sort of messes up, it just completely 628 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:48,189 messes up and it. 629 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,349 Yeah. Just presses somewhere 630 00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:51,249 else completely. 631 00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:53,319 So then it's just out of OK so it just 632 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,399 gets out of order. 633 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,839 Yeah. All right. 634 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,969 So it's not, it's got no feedback like 635 00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:59,829 there's no camera on it or it's just like 636 00:26:59,830 --> 00:27:01,839 it has to basically just remember all the 637 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,159 coordinates. 638 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,289 So it's a super fragile system if 639 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:06,189 it messes up. 640 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:07,190 Yeah. 641 00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:09,849 Things no place. 642 00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:12,459 So I'm going to creep out like 643 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:14,019 more than half of the people here. 644 00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:16,179 So my question is, have you 645 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:18,399 ever thought about putting 646 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,589 that robot in a club and then, 647 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:22,929 like, trying to measure how happy 648 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,809 the crowd is with the music it produces 649 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:27,879 and then kind of 650 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,039 so, I don't know, facial recognition, 651 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,899 recognizing how many people are on the 652 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,909 dance floor and stuff like that, and then 653 00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:36,459 giving the feedback to the robot again. 654 00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:38,769 So making kind of 655 00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:41,109 smart music for the masses. 656 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:47,769 I guess the short answer is no. 657 00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:49,959 But but 658 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,269 we have been thinking a lot about putting 659 00:27:52,270 --> 00:27:54,369 the robot maybe in the forest and then 660 00:27:54,370 --> 00:27:57,249 just kind of playing music 661 00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:58,270 for the animals. 662 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,139 Or or even better, like this kind 663 00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:10,359 of the idea of removing 664 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,429 the deejay and like having a wall in 665 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:14,499 front so that nobody knows it's a 666 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:16,709 robot if it's playing in a club. 667 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:19,390 That's an awesome idea because 668 00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:21,530 I don't know 669 00:28:23,290 --> 00:28:25,389 one thing that's kind of interesting 670 00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:27,459 with the robot and all this talk about 671 00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:29,769 robot overlords and so on is that, 672 00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:33,309 I don't know, dealing with it. 673 00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:35,859 It's like it's a thing, it's an entity, 674 00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:37,959 but it's more like an maybe an animal or 675 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,089 something like that that might grow up to 676 00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:42,039 be really powerful. 677 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,739 But it's it makes us look differently 678 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:45,819 at the world somehow. 679 00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:48,879 And it's right now, I think it relates 680 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,339 very nicely to 681 00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:52,509 animals almost. 682 00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:54,519 So so kind of putting it in the forest 683 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,919 and wood would really make sense, 684 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,920 I think. 685 00:29:00,070 --> 00:29:02,199 Happy animals and 686 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,400 no one, please. 687 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:06,699 My question is kind of kind of related. 688 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:08,769 Is the robot using any sort of input 689 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:10,719 from what's happening to trigger those 690 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,149 random processes are 691 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:16,119 for now, it's just randomly, randomly 692 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,120 triggering stuff. 693 00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:21,329 Yeah, it's yeah, there's no 694 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:22,869 no input like that. 695 00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:25,689 Not not yet, anyway. 696 00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:27,519 No, I mean, we've been talking about 697 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,649 riding our own random 698 00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:31,359 like we've been talking a lot about 699 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,529 random. Right. 700 00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:35,109 So riding our own random 701 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:36,819 functions, of course, that are then 702 00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:39,189 pseudo random somehow and feeding 703 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:40,119 something into that. 704 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,369 But I don't think we're very interested 705 00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:44,979 in making it like super interactive 706 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:46,540 as such because 707 00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:49,190 it. 708 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,299 Yeah. Well, yeah, 709 00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:56,709 yeah. I don't I mean, I don't 710 00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:58,989 I don't see the need for all this kind of 711 00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:59,739 interaction. 712 00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:01,419 I think it's actually nice that it has 713 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:03,159 this kind of weird inner life and you 714 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,289 have to to understand it. 715 00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:07,569 It's not like understanding us, 716 00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:09,879 but I think that this is what I mean is 717 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,949 if it by itself can trigger its 718 00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:14,229 own randomness, by whatever is happening 719 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:15,699 around it or whatever is happening that 720 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:17,139 record. Explain. 721 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:18,309 I don't know that that's my question. 722 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:19,310 I don't know. 723 00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:22,869 Well, not now, but of course, it could 724 00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:24,189 go that way. 725 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,499 But yeah, I think it's it 726 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:28,959 doesn't really have to be so, 727 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,119 you know, complex to to 728 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,429 to to make me 729 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:35,739 feel like it's somehow, you know. 730 00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:39,309 Yeah. A thing in itself. 731 00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:41,649 It's just like just this 732 00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:42,579 tiny movement. 733 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:44,829 It's like magic to me, even though I know 734 00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:47,019 it's not magic, 735 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:49,989 but but it feels like 736 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:53,049 it's it's enough to just be really 737 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:54,579 a simple system. 738 00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:56,109 I think that's cool. 739 00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:58,510 And it's the result is is amazing. 740 00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:01,540 These amazing things 741 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,949 you do is signal 742 00:31:05,950 --> 00:31:07,599 angels. We have a question from the 743 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,879 Internet. No shakes head 744 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,099 OK, one last question from 745 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:13,149 like four, please. 746 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:17,109 I think from a performance perspective, 747 00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:19,209 it's really interesting, your placement, 748 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:21,189 you know, just sitting and watching the 749 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:23,979 robot. And it also brings 750 00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:26,259 like it brings a lot of questions. 751 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:28,419 And also it reminds me of how 752 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:30,609 all of the discourse of how labor is 753 00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:32,979 more going towards like roles 754 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:34,989 of supervision that you're supervising 755 00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:37,359 the robot. So my question is, even 756 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,639 if after some time 757 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,549 it wouldn't be doing a lot of errors, 758 00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,379 would you still sit next to it? 759 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:46,509 Like, I'm just wondering about the role 760 00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:48,789 of, like, yourself 761 00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:50,559 while the robot is performing. 762 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,489 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a good good 763 00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:57,189 question because I guess you can. 764 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:59,589 Yeah. I mean, we could send the robot 765 00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:01,659 off to just do shows on 766 00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:02,740 its own, I guess, 767 00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:07,029 which I think is pretty cool. 768 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:09,159 I would like to do that, but I 769 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,379 would also like to jam 770 00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:14,319 with the robot and actually do stuff 771 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,719 together. I think that's something 772 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,239 that interests me more, 773 00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:22,239 that it actually become someone that you 774 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,819 can work together with. 775 00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:26,589 But in the video you were showing, you 776 00:32:26,590 --> 00:32:28,149 were just sitting there was the part 777 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:29,349 where you were just sitting and the 778 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:31,719 robot. And I was saying that this 779 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,969 part is actually very like 780 00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:35,319 potent, really strong. 781 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,459 You know, you're just sitting and the 782 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:37,689 robot is doing its thing. 783 00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:39,549 Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, it has all 784 00:32:39,550 --> 00:32:41,679 these connotations about robots stealing 785 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,569 our jobs. And I know and all of it 786 00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:45,910 somewhere we're playing with this idea 787 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,239 to, but I guess we're not really 788 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,240 sure 789 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:53,019 where to go with it. 790 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:54,819 Yeah. For now, it's really interesting to 791 00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:57,369 sit there and I guess we'll be sitting 792 00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:59,379 there as long as the conversations we 793 00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:01,179 have with people sitting next to it are 794 00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:02,859 interesting. 795 00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:03,860 Um, 796 00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:06,710 no, 797 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,249 thank you. 798 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:11,379 Thank you. Speaking of sitting, people 799 00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:12,329 are sitting here for a while. 800 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:14,409 I know. Thanks to all of 801 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:15,969 you for the wonderful questions. 802 00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:18,039 And thanks again to pack up and 803 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,410 go to Haiti for this wonderful talk.